Comments on: ★ Does Your Church Really Need Jesus?

By: Rob Edwards

Rob Edwards — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:49:26 +0000

hey Todd,

Thanks for sharing about Neil’s book on here. I read it a while back (at same time as I was reading John Burke’s No Perfect People Allowed). Great stuff…..

Have you seen Neil’s newest book? Title is Search & Rescue, and in it he talks more about the LTG (Life Transformation Groups) that he introduces in Organic Church. It’s available currently from the publisher (Baker Books), but other places show it’s not released yet.

His concepts are applicable for urban churches, too!

Rob

By: Todd

Todd — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:55:34 +0000

Wezlo, you can define “just fine” however you want really. But, I am thinking that the organization can exist and do some “good stuff” and be a “nice place to be” and a “nice community that does some nice stuff. But, if we are without Jesus guiding and directing and calling us to take risks… If could remove the name of Jesus and be just the same, than we are no better off than the Kiwanas, Rotary Club, etc.

By: wezlo

wezlo — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:48:33 +0000

Define “just fine.” If you mean, it could coast relatively peacefully into oblivion – then that might very well be my current reality. If you mean, so some kick-butt stuff that keeps the organization going for a loooonnnnggg time – then, no, not so much.

By: Todd

Todd — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:13:09 +0000

Hey thanks Ed. I think the connection between coffee and your book is much closer than the one between a coffee cup and this book… i think you’ll be alright. i’ll still buy your book!

By: ed c

ed c — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:46:13 +0000

Glad you broke down and read this book. It’s one of my favorites and one that has profoundly changed how I think, pray, and minister to others. Cole has a gentle way of pushing past our assumptions and providing some clear steps to take, and that is what made it not only a profound book, but a hopeful book.

I’m sorry to hear you didn’t like the coffee cup on the book’s cover. I’d hate to tell you what will be on the cover of my book Coffeehouse Theology…

By: Pat

Pat — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:38:31 +0000

When I was planting a church, during our regular leadership team meetings, I always asked the question, “if God weren’t involved in this thing, how would things look different?” – or, “How do we know that God’s active in this church?”.

I wanted our leaders to be aware of the movement of God in the church, and also I wanted us to have an early-warning-system for those times that we were going through the motions.

I think this is a huge goal: and it reveals a lot about our theology and ecclesiology to see how we would answer these things. What areas of the church is/isnt God allowed to be King over?