Comments on: How Does the Church Engage the World? Build an Ark? http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-does-the-church-engage-the-world-should-we-build-an-ark/06/ Missional Living in Suburban America Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:15:21 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Patrick http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-does-the-church-engage-the-world-should-we-build-an-ark/06/comment-page-1/#comment-47217 Patrick Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:37:24 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=1092#comment-47217 I think it is more relevant today than back then. LOLOVE, Pat I think it is more relevant today than back then.

LOLOVE,
Pat

]]> By: Jake Meador http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-does-the-church-engage-the-world-should-we-build-an-ark/06/comment-page-1/#comment-41631 Jake Meador Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:56:04 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=1092#comment-41631 Interesting question, we've been thinking about this a lot in the campus ministry that I'm part of at the University of Nebraska. I think the key idea can be phrased a couple ways (I'm stealing both from Michael Williams, a professor at Covenant Seminary): "Ultimately, nothing but the kingdom matters. But, because of the kingdom, everything matters," or, "The scope of God's redemptive work is as broad as the scope of his creative work." In other words, our task as Christians is to live in God's world as citizens of the kingdom whose goal is that, "[God's] will be done on earth as it is in heaven." Tim Keller's got some excellent resources on this stuff, if you go to Steve McCoy's blog, you can probably hunt some of them down. Interesting question, we’ve been thinking about this a lot in the campus ministry that I’m part of at the University of Nebraska. I think the key idea can be phrased a couple ways (I’m stealing both from Michael Williams, a professor at Covenant Seminary): “Ultimately, nothing but the kingdom matters. But, because of the kingdom, everything matters,” or, “The scope of God’s redemptive work is as broad as the scope of his creative work.”

In other words, our task as Christians is to live in God’s world as citizens of the kingdom whose goal is that, “[God's] will be done on earth as it is in heaven.”

Tim Keller’s got some excellent resources on this stuff, if you go to Steve McCoy’s blog, you can probably hunt some of them down.

]]> By: Up a Creek Without an Ark : Subversive Influence http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-does-the-church-engage-the-world-should-we-build-an-ark/06/comment-page-1/#comment-41630 Up a Creek Without an Ark : Subversive Influence Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:28:37 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=1092#comment-41630 [...] was just rereading Todd Hiestand’s post that asks, “How Does the Church Engage the World? Build an Ark?” He critiques an old song by the Gaither Vocal Band called “Build an Ark,” the [...] [...] was just rereading Todd Hiestand’s post that asks, “How Does the Church Engage the World? Build an Ark?” He critiques an old song by the Gaither Vocal Band called “Build an Ark,” the [...]

]]> By: weekly roundup: 5.31-6.6 « mission:contend http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-does-the-church-engage-the-world-should-we-build-an-ark/06/comment-page-1/#comment-41579 weekly roundup: 5.31-6.6 « mission:contend Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:21:53 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=1092#comment-41579 [...] how does the church engage the world? build and ark? [...] [...] how does the church engage the world? build and ark? [...]

]]> By: Todd http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-does-the-church-engage-the-world-should-we-build-an-ark/06/comment-page-1/#comment-41577 Todd Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:01:26 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=1092#comment-41577 Dan, interesting conversation for sure. I guess a decent follow up would be to talk about where Jesus spent his time would it not. Of course, the response there is that He was Jesus and could handle it. But i am pretty sure he brought his disciples into the same places he hung out so that argument doesn't hold water for me. Oh, and the argument that he said "follow me." that one too :) Dan, interesting conversation for sure. I guess a decent follow up would be to talk about where Jesus spent his time would it not. Of course, the response there is that He was Jesus and could handle it. But i am pretty sure he brought his disciples into the same places he hung out so that argument doesn’t hold water for me. Oh, and the argument that he said “follow me.” that one too :)

]]> By: Dan B. http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-does-the-church-engage-the-world-should-we-build-an-ark/06/comment-page-1/#comment-41574 Dan B. Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:57:32 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=1092#comment-41574 This came up in our men's study group the other night when we talked about Peter gathering around the camp fire when he denied Jesus three times. John MacArthur's commentary was read, along with a couple others, and it was repeatedly said that Peter was in the wrong place, the implication being that he was hanging around the unbelievers and that's how he got himself into trouble. I disagreed, saying that MacArthur was allegorizing the passage and that it said no such thing. MacArthur is one of the "get in the ark" guys (although he has many other good qualities). I said and was misusing the verse. In fact, I said to the others, Peter was in the exact right place, but failed to do the right thing. Instead, he lost courage, just as when he got out of the boat. Just imagine what might have happened if Peter had spoken out and identified himself with Jesus. Think of the possibilities. But it was God's will. I don't know if I converted the minds of many of the dozen or so guys in our group. It's difficult to stand up to and disagree with John MacArthur and J. Vernon McGee. This came up in our men’s study group the other night when we talked about Peter gathering around the camp fire when he denied Jesus three times.

John MacArthur’s commentary was read, along with a couple others, and it was repeatedly said that Peter was in the wrong place, the implication being that he was hanging around the unbelievers and that’s how he got himself into trouble. I disagreed, saying that MacArthur was allegorizing the passage and that it said no such thing. MacArthur is one of the “get in the ark” guys (although he has many other good qualities). I said and was misusing the verse. In fact, I said to the others, Peter was in the exact right place, but failed to do the right thing. Instead, he lost courage, just as when he got out of the boat. Just imagine what might have happened if Peter had spoken out and identified himself with Jesus. Think of the possibilities. But it was God’s will.

I don’t know if I converted the minds of many of the dozen or so guys in our group. It’s difficult to stand up to and disagree with John MacArthur and J. Vernon McGee.

]]> By: tghali http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-does-the-church-engage-the-world-should-we-build-an-ark/06/comment-page-1/#comment-41564 tghali Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:30:59 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=1092#comment-41564 Now you're listening to southern gospel music? If I see a confederate flag sticker on your bumper, I'm keying your car. Wanna go to Cabellas later? Now you’re listening to southern gospel music?
If I see a confederate flag sticker on your bumper, I’m keying your car.

Wanna go to Cabellas later?

]]> By: Fred http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-does-the-church-engage-the-world-should-we-build-an-ark/06/comment-page-1/#comment-41559 Fred Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:50:21 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=1092#comment-41559 lol lol

]]> By: Todd http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-does-the-church-engage-the-world-should-we-build-an-ark/06/comment-page-1/#comment-41557 Todd Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:39:09 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=1092#comment-41557 Fred, HA! Maybe they thought they could bring the kindgom by their funky jams. But I'm guessing Jesus wasn't into Motown, he didn't like the devil inspired beat. :) Fred, HA!

Maybe they thought they could bring the kindgom by their funky jams. But I’m guessing Jesus wasn’t into Motown, he didn’t like the devil inspired beat. :)

]]> By: Fred http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-does-the-church-engage-the-world-should-we-build-an-ark/06/comment-page-1/#comment-41556 Fred Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:36:34 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=1092#comment-41556 Weren't the Essences an early Motown group? :) Weren’t the Essences an early Motown group? :)

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