Comments on: How Not to Grow the Mission of your Church http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-not-to-grow-the-mission-of-your-church/02/ Missional Living in Suburban America Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:14:16 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: The Weekly Thingy « Life Together http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-not-to-grow-the-mission-of-your-church/02/comment-page-1/#comment-41080 The Weekly Thingy « Life Together Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:02:35 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-not-to-grow-the-mission-of-your-church/02/#comment-41080 [...] Read Todd Hiestand’s thoughts on “How Not to Grow the Mission of Your Church” [...] [...] Read Todd Hiestand’s thoughts on “How Not to Grow the Mission of Your Church” [...]

]]> By: Todd http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-not-to-grow-the-mission-of-your-church/02/comment-page-1/#comment-41052 Todd Tue, 04 Mar 2008 02:42:15 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-not-to-grow-the-mission-of-your-church/02/#comment-41052 tom i think the thing is, is that we are often so desperate not to let anyone slip through our fingers (i.e. not come back to our worship service) that we bend over backwards to give them whatever it takes to keep them happy. We train them quickly that we are here to give them whatever they need to be happy and comfortable. When the unchurched come in, they are really are looking to give of themselves to others. Think of all the money that was sent to Katrina and all the people who went to serve there. Charitable giving is actually UP in America (its just down in the church - that says something eh?). now, this idea might not necessarily be true with church transfers, they have already been trained by us that church is there to consume. But, even wiht the churched, people want to be called to something that is greater than themselves. Not everyone does, but man, most people do. I think too often we model our call to "community, compassion, and hope" to the lowest common denominator (i.e. those who just want to consume). make any sense at all? tom i think the thing is, is that we are often so desperate not to let anyone slip through our fingers (i.e. not come back to our worship service) that we bend over backwards to give them whatever it takes to keep them happy. We train them quickly that we are here to give them whatever they need to be happy and comfortable. When the unchurched come in, they are really are looking to give of themselves to others. Think of all the money that was sent to Katrina and all the people who went to serve there. Charitable giving is actually UP in America (its just down in the church – that says something eh?). now, this idea might not necessarily be true with church transfers, they have already been trained by us that church is there to consume. But, even wiht the churched, people want to be called to something that is greater than themselves. Not everyone does, but man, most people do. I think too often we model our call to “community, compassion, and hope” to the lowest common denominator (i.e. those who just want to consume).

make any sense at all?

]]> By: Tom http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-not-to-grow-the-mission-of-your-church/02/comment-page-1/#comment-41042 Tom Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:06:06 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-not-to-grow-the-mission-of-your-church/02/#comment-41042 Wish I were there, bro. Thanks for sharing this, especially the admonition to "concentrate on our strengths." The unchurched do not want to be consumers? Tell me more about this. How did Callahan come to this conclusion? I'm not questioning it. I'm just intrigued by the idea that we teach consumerism more than "compassion, community, and hope." Say it ain't so, Ken. Wish I were there, bro. Thanks for sharing this, especially the admonition to “concentrate on our strengths.”

The unchurched do not want to be consumers? Tell me more about this. How did Callahan come to this conclusion? I’m not questioning it. I’m just intrigued by the idea that we teach consumerism more than “compassion, community, and hope.” Say it ain’t so, Ken.

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