Comments on: Indicators of a ‘Missional Church’ http://www.toddhiestand.com/indicators-of-a-missional-church/09/ Missional Living in Suburban America Wed, 23 Jun 2010 00:20:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Ed C http://www.toddhiestand.com/indicators-of-a-missional-church/09/comment-page-1/#comment-1573 Ed C Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:57:16 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=289#comment-1573 That's very good to hear. I have heard many good things from and about Alan, so it's encouraging to know he's involved in GOCN. If the Holy Spirit is implied, then I sure hope he gets moved to the forefront . . . and quick! Nevertheless, a missional emphasis will surely move the church from its comfort zone and into places where we will be far more inclined to depend on the Holy Spirit. I find that it's much easier to forget the Spirit when listening to a sermon than when trying to help a homeless person. That’s very good to hear. I have heard many good things from and about Alan, so it’s encouraging to know he’s involved in GOCN. If the Holy Spirit is implied, then I sure hope he gets moved to the forefront . . . and quick! Nevertheless, a missional emphasis will surely move the church from its comfort zone and into places where we will be far more inclined to depend on the Holy Spirit. I find that it’s much easier to forget the Spirit when listening to a sermon than when trying to help a homeless person.

]]> By: Todd http://www.toddhiestand.com/indicators-of-a-missional-church/09/comment-page-1/#comment-1560 Todd Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:02:56 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=289#comment-1560 ed, great point. its an interesteing omission (hopefully by accident). in much of my reading on the missional church, the sprit is very higly spoken of. in my time with Alan Roxborgh at Biblical Sem (Alan is connected to GOCN very closely) he talks about the dependency of the spirit a LOT. so, it is interesteing that the HS is missing here...perhaps its implied, the base thing to the whole argument, i dunno.... it'll be fun keeping this in mind as i get into this stuff. ed, great point. its an interesteing omission (hopefully by accident). in much of my reading on the missional church, the sprit is very higly spoken of. in my time with Alan Roxborgh at Biblical Sem (Alan is connected to GOCN very closely) he talks about the dependency of the spirit a LOT.

so, it is interesteing that the HS is missing here…perhaps its implied, the base thing to the whole argument, i dunno….

it’ll be fun keeping this in mind as i get into this stuff.

]]> By: ED C http://www.toddhiestand.com/indicators-of-a-missional-church/09/comment-page-1/#comment-1559 ED C Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:57:08 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=289#comment-1559 Thanks for bringing up this list. It's very helpful, but it illustrates my one major reservation about the missional church: Where's the Holy Spirit??? If the New Testament says anything to us, the HOly Spirit is playing a really key part in the formation of the church, the sustaining of the church, the preaching of the Gospel, etc. It's one thing to affirm the Trinity, but it's another thing to live in the Spirit. I have believed for most of my Christian life that the Spirit is alive and active in the church, but he is kind of in the background, not stirring things up or causing a fuss. But that is counter to everything in the scripture. A truly missional church is directed and empowered by Father, Son, and Spirit. And the Spirit has the key role of leading his people, giving them the power of God, sealing them in the Kingdom, and empowering them to preach the Gospel. Unless the missional church movement can put the Spirit in a prominent place, then the idea of "mission" will just be another trend or great idea that does little to impact our world with the Gospel, no matter how right the rest of its doctrine may be. Thanks for bringing up this list. It’s very helpful, but it illustrates my one major reservation about the missional church:

Where’s the Holy Spirit???

If the New Testament says anything to us, the HOly Spirit is playing a really key part in the formation of the church, the sustaining of the church, the preaching of the Gospel, etc. It’s one thing to affirm the Trinity, but it’s another thing to live in the Spirit.

I have believed for most of my Christian life that the Spirit is alive and active in the church, but he is kind of in the background, not stirring things up or causing a fuss. But that is counter to everything in the scripture. A truly missional church is directed and empowered by Father, Son, and Spirit. And the Spirit has the key role of leading his people, giving them the power of God, sealing them in the Kingdom, and empowering them to preach the Gospel.

Unless the missional church movement can put the Spirit in a prominent place, then the idea of “mission” will just be another trend or great idea that does little to impact our world with the Gospel, no matter how right the rest of its doctrine may be.

]]> By: GordonG http://www.toddhiestand.com/indicators-of-a-missional-church/09/comment-page-1/#comment-1558 GordonG Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:42:39 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=289#comment-1558 An interesting list - I've just downloaded the ful doc. I look forward to reading your comments in coming days. Shalom An interesting list – I’ve just downloaded the ful doc. I look forward to reading your comments in coming days.
Shalom

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