Comments on: ★ Lord Teach Us To Pray Part II – Why Don’t We Do It? http://www.toddhiestand.com/lord-teach-us-to-pray-part-ii/07/ Field Notes on Bi-Vocational Church Leadership in Suburban America Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:10:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Todd http://www.toddhiestand.com/lord-teach-us-to-pray-part-ii/07/comment-page-1/#comment-6403 Todd Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:32:22 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/lord-teach-us-to-pray-part-ii/07/#comment-6403 Wes, thanks for stopping by. I love that book by Peterson. he's such a challange to read because it makes me realize how far i fall short on this stuff. but we're all learning and growing... dave, i get your point, but i don't think i meant to imply that prayer was about being productive (is that what i did). i think the point of making love actually works great beacuse it implies ultimate intimacy between two people. without taking the illustration too far for obvious reasons, i think prayer with God is a great example of that. i pray, not because i want to be productive or produce something but because i desire to be in communion with God. So, perhaps from that perspective the analogy of making love is helpful. make sense? Wes, thanks for stopping by. I love that book by Peterson. he’s such a challange to read because it makes me realize how far i fall short on this stuff. but we’re all learning and growing…

dave, i get your point, but i don’t think i meant to imply that prayer was about being productive (is that what i did). i think the point of making love actually works great beacuse it implies ultimate intimacy between two people. without taking the illustration too far for obvious reasons, i think prayer with God is a great example of that. i pray, not because i want to be productive or produce something but because i desire to be in communion with God. So, perhaps from that perspective the analogy of making love is helpful.

make sense?

]]> By: David http://www.toddhiestand.com/lord-teach-us-to-pray-part-ii/07/comment-page-1/#comment-6402 David Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:09:54 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/lord-teach-us-to-pray-part-ii/07/#comment-6402 I agree entirely that our need to be productive is perhaps the main reason why we do not pray as much as we should -- to be more honest, why I do not pray as much as I should. How we do break out of that trap? I wonder if the analogy to "making love" might not be apropos here. Why make love? Because we want to, because the other person is important, because we love. I sure hope we don't simply because we want to "produce a child." There is a relation between two partners that in a way reflects the relation between the human and God, at least in the sense that we are in a dialogical relationship to God and prayer is how we consummate that relationship. I agree entirely that our need to be productive is perhaps the main reason why we do not pray as much as we should — to be more honest, why I do not pray as much as I should. How we do break out of that trap? I wonder if the analogy to “making love” might not be apropos here. Why make love? Because we want to, because the other person is important, because we love. I sure hope we don’t simply because we want to “produce a child.” There is a relation between two partners that in a way reflects the relation between the human and God, at least in the sense that we are in a dialogical relationship to God and prayer is how we consummate that relationship.

]]> By: Wes http://www.toddhiestand.com/lord-teach-us-to-pray-part-ii/07/comment-page-1/#comment-6401 Wes Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:39:10 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/lord-teach-us-to-pray-part-ii/07/#comment-6401 I just came across your blog last week and appreciate your tackling this prayer thing headon. Euegene Peterson (in The Contemplative Pastor??) says the pastors most important job is to teach the church how to pray. The hard thing about this, is that I don't do this very well in my own life. As I have been thinking about prayer, this unproductive issue has came to mind. Thanks for sharing your struggles and thoughts. Wes I just came across your blog last week and appreciate your tackling this prayer thing headon. Euegene Peterson (in The Contemplative Pastor??) says the pastors most important job is to teach the church how to pray. The hard thing about this, is that I don’t do this very well in my own life. As I have been thinking about prayer, this unproductive issue has came to mind. Thanks for sharing your struggles and thoughts.
Wes

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