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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.toddhiestand.com/pastoral-confessions/09/comment-page-1/#comment-29775</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginger, I knew I liked the way you think...

Thanks for pushing these necessary buttons.  Near the end of writing this post I had a very similar thought to the one you bring up. 

Most of this stuff is just not &quot;okay.&quot; Plain and simple. I&#039;m fine having doubts and working through those things.  But, when it comes to the busyness and the workaholism and some of these other things... they need to be constantly addressed and not &quot;okay.&quot; 

It&#039;s okay to struggle, sure.  It&#039;s okay to have issues we deal with, sure.  We all have them.  But, you raise a very, very important question. What am I (and everyone else) going to do about it. 

The temptation when someone confesses their struggles (whether its a pastor or not) is to have others who struggle with the same thing just kind of sit around and wollow in our struggles together. 

We all feel better because someone else just named the same thing we struggle with. Misery loves company after all. We like to know we are not alone.

Lick you said, confession is not bad.  In fact, as we can tell from other people&#039;s responses its freeing to the one who confesses and those who hear it.  Its a starting point...

But, like you say, what are we going to do about it? All of us sitting in a circle patting each other on the back is only half the issue.

I am not sure if I&#039;ll publicly deal with some of the things I am doing to fight against these things or not.  Perhaps I will.  Perhaps I won&#039;t.  That&#039;s an issue of time more than anything..

But, everyone needs to take Ginger&#039;s thoughts to heart. 

Confess. Yes. Find freedom. Yes.  Just don&#039;t be happy with that.

Again, Hebrews has some good thoughts on this, 

&quot;In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.&quot;

Whoah.  Not sure I have resisted sin this aggressively.  Perhaps it&#039;s because we don&#039;t really take sin seriously enough.

Hmm... maybe that is confession #9 for me....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginger, I knew I liked the way you think&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for pushing these necessary buttons.  Near the end of writing this post I had a very similar thought to the one you bring up. </p>
<p>Most of this stuff is just not &#8220;okay.&#8221; Plain and simple. I&#8217;m fine having doubts and working through those things.  But, when it comes to the busyness and the workaholism and some of these other things&#8230; they need to be constantly addressed and not &#8220;okay.&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s okay to struggle, sure.  It&#8217;s okay to have issues we deal with, sure.  We all have them.  But, you raise a very, very important question. What am I (and everyone else) going to do about it. </p>
<p>The temptation when someone confesses their struggles (whether its a pastor or not) is to have others who struggle with the same thing just kind of sit around and wollow in our struggles together. </p>
<p>We all feel better because someone else just named the same thing we struggle with. Misery loves company after all. We like to know we are not alone.</p>
<p>Lick you said, confession is not bad.  In fact, as we can tell from other people&#8217;s responses its freeing to the one who confesses and those who hear it.  Its a starting point&#8230;</p>
<p>But, like you say, what are we going to do about it? All of us sitting in a circle patting each other on the back is only half the issue.</p>
<p>I am not sure if I&#8217;ll publicly deal with some of the things I am doing to fight against these things or not.  Perhaps I will.  Perhaps I won&#8217;t.  That&#8217;s an issue of time more than anything..</p>
<p>But, everyone needs to take Ginger&#8217;s thoughts to heart. </p>
<p>Confess. Yes. Find freedom. Yes.  Just don&#8217;t be happy with that.</p>
<p>Again, Hebrews has some good thoughts on this, </p>
<p>&#8220;In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whoah.  Not sure I have resisted sin this aggressively.  Perhaps it&#8217;s because we don&#8217;t really take sin seriously enough.</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; maybe that is confession #9 for me&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Ware</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger Ware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Todd,

I&#039;m finding I&#039;ve had a different response to this post than some others, so I&#039;ll take the plunge &amp; share it...

My question for you is, what are you going to about it (or willing to do)? I don&#039;t mean to sound harsh, and I&#039;m very glad you mentioned our dependence on grace. What I&#039;m thinking about is more on the level of your realizations/admissions of your personal faults &amp; struggles than the church &amp; faith issues. 

Such as: what tools do we have to take baby steps toward breaking the power of busyness in our lives? What can you &amp; all of us do to break the habit of working too much? How can we even find enough time in our day to consider prayer?

I&#039;m sure you remember it but others may not know Dallas Willard&#039;s great line: &quot;Grace is opposed to earning, not to effort.&quot; We have to do some work, hand in hand with the Holy Spirit.

Solitude, silence, fasting (including Internet fasting)... places to start. The list of activities used by the church over the years is a long one.

Being honest about weakness is a great starting point. But I hope you (and all of us) don&#039;t stop there.

peace,
Ginger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Todd,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m finding I&#8217;ve had a different response to this post than some others, so I&#8217;ll take the plunge &amp; share it&#8230;</p>
<p>My question for you is, what are you going to about it (or willing to do)? I don&#8217;t mean to sound harsh, and I&#8217;m very glad you mentioned our dependence on grace. What I&#8217;m thinking about is more on the level of your realizations/admissions of your personal faults &amp; struggles than the church &amp; faith issues. </p>
<p>Such as: what tools do we have to take baby steps toward breaking the power of busyness in our lives? What can you &amp; all of us do to break the habit of working too much? How can we even find enough time in our day to consider prayer?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you remember it but others may not know Dallas Willard&#8217;s great line: &#8220;Grace is opposed to earning, not to effort.&#8221; We have to do some work, hand in hand with the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>Solitude, silence, fasting (including Internet fasting)&#8230; places to start. The list of activities used by the church over the years is a long one.</p>
<p>Being honest about weakness is a great starting point. But I hope you (and all of us) don&#8217;t stop there.</p>
<p>peace,<br />
Ginger</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Fryer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Fryer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd - Although I am a little worried about your first confession (!), I really appreciate what you&#039;re doing here. In fact, I blogged about it - and the need for church leaders to be REAL if they expect anyone to follow them - at the A.R.E. (my company) site today. You might be interested in reading it. Thanks for taking the lead on this important issue.

http://reclaimingthefword.typepad.com/are/2007/09/so-how-honest-c.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd &#8211; Although I am a little worried about your first confession (!), I really appreciate what you&#8217;re doing here. In fact, I blogged about it &#8211; and the need for church leaders to be REAL if they expect anyone to follow them &#8211; at the A.R.E. (my company) site today. You might be interested in reading it. Thanks for taking the lead on this important issue.</p>
<p><a href="http://reclaimingthefword.typepad.com/are/2007/09/so-how-honest-c.html" rel="nofollow">http://reclaimingthefword.typepad.com/are/2007/09/so-how-honest-c.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Lehr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Lehr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd, thanks for the post.  I echo a lot of the comments listed above.  Thanks for your openness and honesty.  This was extremely helpful to me at a time when I am struggling with who God has called me to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd, thanks for the post.  I echo a lot of the comments listed above.  Thanks for your openness and honesty.  This was extremely helpful to me at a time when I am struggling with who God has called me to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, oftentimes, we do not consider our weaknessess being a strong testimony of who we are.  When we open ourselves and subject ourselves to the mirror of our soul, we are able to see a more clear picture of what is inside of us.  I think what you have done is something not only pastors should do but something we should all be willing to embark on.  Perhaps that will make for a great post in the near future.  Thank you sir for your post.  It is real and honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, oftentimes, we do not consider our weaknessess being a strong testimony of who we are.  When we open ourselves and subject ourselves to the mirror of our soul, we are able to see a more clear picture of what is inside of us.  I think what you have done is something not only pastors should do but something we should all be willing to embark on.  Perhaps that will make for a great post in the near future.  Thank you sir for your post.  It is real and honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick note, Kelly Fryer had some interesting thoughts in response to my first &quot;confession.&quot;  She raises valid concerns.  Read here....

http://reclaimingthefword.typepad.com/reclaiming_the_f_word/2007/09/growth-is-good-.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick note, Kelly Fryer had some interesting thoughts in response to my first &#8220;confession.&#8221;  She raises valid concerns.  Read here&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://reclaimingthefword.typepad.com/reclaiming_the_f_word/2007/09/growth-is-good-.html" rel="nofollow">http://reclaimingthefword.typepad.com/reclaiming_the_f_word/2007/09/growth-is-good-.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone, thanks for your encouragement.  It&#039;s funny, in reality, this really shouldn&#039;t be that big of a deal.  

Dan, i remember hearing of a pastor that was told in seminary that he should not live in the same town as the church.  this way he wouldn&#039;t get too close to the people and it would be easier to lead the community.  what?  that doesn&#039;t even make any sense!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone, thanks for your encouragement.  It&#8217;s funny, in reality, this really shouldn&#8217;t be that big of a deal.  </p>
<p>Dan, i remember hearing of a pastor that was told in seminary that he should not live in the same town as the church.  this way he wouldn&#8217;t get too close to the people and it would be easier to lead the community.  what?  that doesn&#8217;t even make any sense!</p>
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		<title>By: preacherman</title>
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		<dc:creator>preacherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd,
I am so glad that you wrote this post.  Many minister needed this read especially me.  It has help me.  I want to thank you as I haven&#039;t just read over it once, but over and over again.  I appreciate your passion and love that you have for Christ and spreading His word.  Todd, I pray that God will bless your ministry and you will continue to make a difference in the Kingdom of God.  God bless you brother as you continue to serve Him. May he bless you and your family, mightly as you give him your very best.  I really enjoy your blog and would love for you to check out mine anytime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd,<br />
I am so glad that you wrote this post.  Many minister needed this read especially me.  It has help me.  I want to thank you as I haven&#8217;t just read over it once, but over and over again.  I appreciate your passion and love that you have for Christ and spreading His word.  Todd, I pray that God will bless your ministry and you will continue to make a difference in the Kingdom of God.  God bless you brother as you continue to serve Him. May he bless you and your family, mightly as you give him your very best.  I really enjoy your blog and would love for you to check out mine anytime.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Todd,

A pastor of mine once told me he was taught in seminary to never reveal his heart to congregants because Jesus never did. But, I pointed out to him, Jesus did tell the 12 he was sorrowful to the point of death. Mark Driscoll said lots of seminaries teach that and that&#039;s nutty. I sort of agree. So I appreciate your honesty. Although I am not a pastor, I am involved in ministry and I have many of the same feelings of inadequacy, incompetence, fear, anger, discouragement, doubt, abandonment. Hebrews 12:3 has meant a lot to me, as has Psalm 37:3 -- &quot;Keep plugging.&quot; (dan&#039;s paraphrase).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Todd,</p>
<p>A pastor of mine once told me he was taught in seminary to never reveal his heart to congregants because Jesus never did. But, I pointed out to him, Jesus did tell the 12 he was sorrowful to the point of death. Mark Driscoll said lots of seminaries teach that and that&#8217;s nutty. I sort of agree. So I appreciate your honesty. Although I am not a pastor, I am involved in ministry and I have many of the same feelings of inadequacy, incompetence, fear, anger, discouragement, doubt, abandonment. Hebrews 12:3 has meant a lot to me, as has Psalm 37:3 &#8212; &#8220;Keep plugging.&#8221; (dan&#8217;s paraphrase).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Todd,

A pastor of mine once told me he was taught in seminary to never reveal his heart to congregants because Jesus never did. But, I pointed out to him, Jesus did tell the 12 he was sorrowful to the point of death. Mark Driscoll said lots of seminaries teach that. Not sure that&#039;s good. So I appreciate your honesty. Although I am not a pastor, I am involved in ministry and I have many of the same feelings of inadequacy, incompetence, fear, anger, discouragement, doubt, abandonment. Hebrews 12:3 has meant a lot to me, as has Psalm 37:3 -- &quot;Keep plugging.&quot; (dan&#039;s paraphrase).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Todd,</p>
<p>A pastor of mine once told me he was taught in seminary to never reveal his heart to congregants because Jesus never did. But, I pointed out to him, Jesus did tell the 12 he was sorrowful to the point of death. Mark Driscoll said lots of seminaries teach that. Not sure that&#8217;s good. So I appreciate your honesty. Although I am not a pastor, I am involved in ministry and I have many of the same feelings of inadequacy, incompetence, fear, anger, discouragement, doubt, abandonment. Hebrews 12:3 has meant a lot to me, as has Psalm 37:3 &#8212; &#8220;Keep plugging.&#8221; (dan&#8217;s paraphrase).</p>
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