Comments on: ★ The Holy Spirit & the Missional Church http://www.toddhiestand.com/the-holy-spirit-the-missional-church/09/ Field Notes on Bi-Vocational Church Leadership in Suburban America Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:10:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Adam Essene http://www.toddhiestand.com/the-holy-spirit-the-missional-church/09/comment-page-1/#comment-42084 Adam Essene Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:27:13 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=291#comment-42084 It seems to me that prayer is not what it is usually seen as in conventional churches. Jesus exhorts us not to pray in public, and this type of asking prayer goes against the teaching "Our Father knows what we need before we ask". What is required is for people to come together in group and for God to express through any or each individual in the group, by the Holy Spirit, whatever is expressed in the group. For this to take place, all members of the group need to be in the Spirit of God rather than the Spirit of the World, which is all about what the little me inside thinks it needs or wants. We can be sure if we are talking about ourselves and what we think needs to be different that happened in the past, then it is the little voice of fear talking, and not the Holy Spirit that knows everything is perfect and the redemption of humanity is in progress in every event irrespective of our judgement of good and evil. In other words, good is being produced by what appears to be "bad" events and that Gods Kingdom is coming in the process of that which is come. If we as a group meet with the spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Perversity in the same room, there can be nothing but dissagreement, even if this is not voiced it is there. To purge ourselves of the spirit of perversity so we can meet in groups is completely necessary for God's Kingdom to manifest at the hightened rate now necessary. I wish you all well from Germany. It seems to me that prayer is not what it is usually seen as in conventional churches. Jesus exhorts us not to pray in public, and this type of asking prayer goes against the teaching “Our Father knows what we need before we ask”.

What is required is for people to come together in group and for God to express through any or each individual in the group, by the Holy Spirit, whatever is expressed in the group.

For this to take place, all members of the group need to be in the Spirit of God rather than the Spirit of the World, which is all about what the little me inside thinks it needs or wants. We can be sure if we are talking about ourselves and what we think needs to be different that happened in the past, then it is the little voice of fear talking, and not the Holy Spirit that knows everything is perfect and the redemption of humanity is in progress in every event irrespective of our judgement of good and evil. In other words, good is being produced by what appears to be “bad” events and that Gods Kingdom is coming in the process of that which is come.

If we as a group meet with the spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Perversity in the same room, there can be nothing but dissagreement, even if this is not voiced it is there.

To purge ourselves of the spirit of perversity so we can meet in groups is completely necessary for God’s Kingdom to manifest at the hightened rate now necessary.

I wish you all well from Germany.

]]> By: Matt http://www.toddhiestand.com/the-holy-spirit-the-missional-church/09/comment-page-1/#comment-1597 Matt Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:50:51 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=291#comment-1597 The funny thing about the situation of having a group prayer, is that the weekly prayer nights had poor attendance, and the monthly prayer nights were no better. But when in a group setting time is taken for open prayer, it can turn a study night into a prayer night because of the way the spirit moves through the group. My thoughts are that prayer is something a lot of people have questions about, and people have developed comfortable habits regarding personal prayer time, but the thought of a "prayer night" may make them uncomfortable, whereas the open prayer time in a small group they are comfortable with can open their hearts to the act of prayer. I look forward to finding a group to pray with here in Las Vegas, there is something so moving and powerful about having someone else calling out your prayers to the Lord, and so comforting knowing that when the group departs, every prayer had been heard by each person there and that they might continue to pray for the same things on their own. The funny thing about the situation of having a group prayer, is that the weekly prayer nights had poor attendance, and the monthly prayer nights were no better. But when in a group setting time is taken for open prayer, it can turn a study night into a prayer night because of the way the spirit moves through the group. My thoughts are that prayer is something a lot of people have questions about, and people have developed comfortable habits regarding personal prayer time, but the thought of a “prayer night” may make them uncomfortable, whereas the open prayer time in a small group they are comfortable with can open their hearts to the act of prayer. I look forward to finding a group to pray with here in Las Vegas, there is something so moving and powerful about having someone else calling out your prayers to the Lord, and so comforting knowing that when the group departs, every prayer had been heard by each person there and that they might continue to pray for the same things on their own.

]]> By: Ed C http://www.toddhiestand.com/the-holy-spirit-the-missional-church/09/comment-page-1/#comment-1586 Ed C Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:34:26 +0000 http://www.toddhiestand.com/?p=291#comment-1586 Good thoughts Todd. Thanks for digging deeper into the Holy Spirit question. I'm glad you're not going to have a prayer night, but plan on using what you already have for group prayer. That sounds a lot like Joe Meyers: finding out how people already connect and find intimacy and then using that and counting that, never losing focus on your goal. Good thoughts Todd. Thanks for digging deeper into the Holy Spirit question. I’m glad you’re not going to have a prayer night, but plan on using what you already have for group prayer. That sounds a lot like Joe Meyers: finding out how people already connect and find intimacy and then using that and counting that, never losing focus on your goal.

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